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1. How to Search pages on this website .............................................................................................................................Search

2. Define the Centaur Legacy................................................................................................................................................Legacy
3. Who is considered to be a Centaur? LRRPs that are Centaurs? CIVO?..................................................................Centaur
4. Are people checked to see if they are really a Centaur in good standing?..................................................Quality Control
5. What is meant by the term "Stolen Valor"?.............................................................................................................Stolen Valor
6. Who is considered for listing on the Centaur "Friends" Roster?...............................................................................Friends
7. Why is the site limited to Centaurs who served in Vietnam?.................................................................................Limitations
8. What happened to the old website "centaurs.org"?.............................................................................................Old Website
9. How were the Board of Directors selected? ...........................................................................................................The Board
10. Why don't we charge money or ask for money for the organization?......................................................................No Fees
11. How do I get into contact with another Centaur?.................................................................................Contacting Centaurs
12. What is meant by : MyPage - Dual - MyPagePhotos?.........................................................MyPage - Dual - MyPagePhotos
13. What is the difference between a Slide Show and a Photo Album?.......................................Slide Show vs Photo Album
14. What is meant by the website term "InfoSheet" and "Index of Articles"?.............................InfoSheet - Index of Articles
15. Will my submitted photos be retouched/restored?....................................................................................Restoring Photos
16. Why hasn't my Photo Album been posted to the new website?..................................................................My Photo Album
17. How do I prepare photos for a Website Photo Album?.............................................................................Photo Preparation
18. What stories are needed for the website?.............................................................................................................War Stories
19. How to do a video for the website.....................................................................................................................................Video
20. How to make digital copies of 35mm slides................................................................................................Copy 35mm Slides
21. How can I hyperlink words in my email messages?...................................................................................................Email Tip
22. What is meant by email "Thread Management" as it pertains to data collection for the website?.............Email Thread
23. Can an average non-technical person help with the design of the Website?.................................................Design Help
24. What to do with 8mm/Super 8 Movies from in country...............................................................................8mm Nam Movies
25. History of the Centaur Society..........................................................................................................................Society History
26. Why doesn't the Society use social network software such as Facebook, Google+, or Twitter?...............Email Privacy
27. Can I "blind copy" some of the Society emails to friends?................................................................................Blind Copies
28. Pilots, especially, need to smooth out their technical jargon.........................................................................Keep it simple
29. Why does my browser often not show announced updates to the Centaur website?..........................Empty your Cache
30. Why don't we have a website Guestbook?.......................................................................................................No Guestbook
31. What is an "Essay" for the Centaur website?................................................................................................................Essays
32. What was II Field Force?......................................................................................................................................II Field Forces
33. Where can I get free copies of 1:50,000 maps of Vietnam? .............................................................................Vietnam Maps
34. Where can I get an inexpensive copy of Michael Kelley's book "Where We Were In Vietnam"?...........Where We Were

35. How can I email a large number of photos or movies (Drop Box)? ......................................Large file transfer - Dropbox

36. Why doesn't my "Back" Button work? ..........................................................................................................The Back Button

37. How to view and control a Slide Show. .........................................................................................................View Slide Show

38. How to get a CIVO Brain Supplement Card (BS Card)...(email webmaster..........................Identification Card (BS Card)

39. Where is the website Updates list? ..............................................................................................................Website Updates

40. Where are the links to other websites? ...........................................................................................................................Links

41. Is there a single page Outline or Site Map for this website?...................................................................................Site Map

42. How can I find old articles from the Tropic Lightning Newspaper?................................................Tropic Lightning News

43. What is a LRRP? ......Pronunced "Lurp"...........................................................................LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrol)

44. How to find and use the HTML address of any website page..............................................................HTML page address

45. Why is our Glossary different from other Vietnam Glossaries on the internet?...................................................Glossary

46. What is the red and black patch worn by some F Troopers on their left shoulder?.......................................HunterKiller

47. Proper wear of the Cavalry Stenson Hat and Spurs ......................................................................................Stenson/Spurs

48. Who attended the 2016 Harrisburg, PA Reunion?.............................................................................................2016 Reunion

49. The Wall............................................................................................................................................................................The Wall

50. What is the difference in the website categories of War Stories (Video, Essay, Discussion);
and how are they different from items under the "PhotoAudioFilm" navigation button?
.....War Stories & PhotoAudioFilm

51. How to post items on the Centaur website....................................................................................................Website Posting

 

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Define the Centaur Legacy

"The recording and presentation of the entire "Centaur's In Vietnam" experience."

In the short time we all have left, only a modern multimedia website has a chance at accomplishing that mission.

At first the legacy seemed to be another book; a Second Year Book. But as we progressed with this project it became clear that the book would only be a stepping stone on the path to a true legacy. The second book may happen, and maybe more will follow; but the primary vehicle for forming the Centaur Legacy has become this new multimedia website. The website is the only way that we can collect and get our total Legacy out within our limited lifetimes.

Time has become the major hurdle. The Time Factor may not yet have entered the thoughts of all our Centaur youngsters (those under 70), but it should. Many have not retired and have little time to spend with really old guys. Doing it next month or at the next reunion is just fine with most of them.

Soon many of them will slow down, look back and realize that they could have spent a couple hours helping out, back when so and so was still alive. That regret can be hurtful. We need to encourage them to be spared from that regret with aggressive plans to seek their participation now; and for them to reap the personal rewards that many of us have already been granted.


Who is considered to be a Centaur? Centaur LRRPs? CIVO?

A Centaur is anyone who was assigned or attached to D or F Troop (Air) during the Vietnam War. They are all declared to be lifetime members of the “Centaurs In Vietnam Organization” (CIVO).

Units in Vietnam used radio code names to identify themselves. D Troop, which later became F Troop, used the radio code name “Centaur.” Adding a number to it made it a “Call Sign.” For example: “Centaur 6” was the Commanding Officer; “Centaur 40” was a Section Leader, etc.

Many job positions did not require a radio "Call Sign", but those men were "Centaurs" anyway. Most were proud to be called a “Centaur” even if their job did not require a “Call Sign”. Even those attached to the unit were considered to be a “Centaur”; for example our Long Range Recon Patrol (LRRP) soldiers and our attached Forward Artillery Observers had their own radio call signs, yet we considered them to be "Centaurs" and part of the Centaurs In Vietnam Organization.

Any LRRP's (Long Range Recon Patrol) assigned before 12/20/1967 to the 25th Inf Div, is considered a "Centaur LRRP".


Who is considered for listing on the Centaur "Friends" Roster?

We couldn't imagine telling the Centaur story without including the personal and heartfelt input of other 3/4 Cav Troopers and those from supported units. Bill Stribling of the Razorbacks being a good example. Chuck Martin brings in the Tech Reps for consideration.

Many LRRP's who served with the 25th Div after 12/20/1967, have provided Centaur Stories and other input. Since they do not meet our official definition to be called a Centaur, their names are included on the "Centaur Friends" Roster, instead of the "Centaur" Roster.

We have found that people that may not have been born until after the war; sons, daughters, grandkids, can contribute. How about relatives, wifes, girlfriends and such? If they can add to the legacy story then they make the list.

Wouldn't it be an interesting addition if the hootch maid that Allen Allcock talks about, made it to the States, and made some comments?


Why is the site limited to Centaurs who served in Vietnam?

We were very concerned at the start of this ambitious project that our tendency would be to try to cover too much material. Many websites fall into that situation and therefore become confusing and disjointed. Only the most spectacular people and events get covered. Not enough is done to honor those soldiers who were not necessarily in the spotlight. By limiting our "Scope" we felt that we could honor, or at least try to honor, every single man of that timeframe and unit. It is very challenging. Our Roster Maintainer, Dale Dow, has identified over 600 so far, with as many as 1700 total being sought out.


What happened to the old website "centaurs.org"?

In March of 2015 the old website was dropped and anyone trying to go there is now routed to this new site.


How were the Board of Directors selected?

Originally they were not selected. A group of Centaur workhorses just got together and declared themselves the "Board". Additional members were invited based on their willingness to invest their valuable personal time and money in the Centaur Legacy mission.

Being on the Board is not intended to be a political position or position of honor; but one of hard working, getting the job done, mission oriented Centaurs. Most Centaurs just can't give up that kind of personal time for a single cause.

The "Centaur Society" was formed for those who wanted to help, when they could, but not be tied to the heavier obligations of the "Board".


Why don't we charge money or ask for money for the organization?

In order for us to accomplish the website mission of having a site page ("MyPage") for every Vietnam Centaur, we felt that more people would be interested in helping if we were not asking for donations. We felt strongly enough about the mission to just fund whatever needed funding, from our own pockets. Periodically we would pass the hat for a particular project; like Dale Dow did to get the "Memorial Bricks" and money for distributing the "Centaur Brothers DVD".

Other Centaurs pointed out that we should have a general "Donations" fund so that those who cannot afford to donate time could feel like they were helping by donating some money. So we do that now, but not as much for the money as for presenting the opportunity for other Centaurs to feel like they are helping.

We are a nonprofit organization, but not a 501c3. Therefore any donation made to the organization truly comes from the heart and is NOT a tax write-off. See "Donations".


How do I get into contact with another Centaur?

Send an email to Dale Dow, our Historian and Roster Maintainer, requesting the address or info you want. He will provide information when he can. He does not give out any email addresses unless the owner has said it is okay.

He will contact them for you. For contacts with the website folks go to "Contact Us".

 

What is meant by the website term "InfoSheet" and "Index of Articles"?

Initially the purpose of the "InfoSheet" was to have a text page that could be attached (linked) to a MyPage or Memoriam Page, that provided additional information about that person. Examples are a biography, a personal statement about himself, notes from friends, or any other information that is not covered in an article or story that is already linked.

In that vein we are now trying to pick up on any emails, old or new, that might help in getting and displaying more information about each man. These emails will be posted on the man's InfoSheet where appropriate. Some of the info may be dead wrong and that's okay; it will get corrected if enough people see it. This is a much more time consuming procedure for a webmaster but more targeted and valuable than other methods such as the Guestbook idea.

Collection of specific emails has been going on for sometime with KIA and Deceased Centaurs; like emails gathered from Obituary columns and such. Now we need to open it up for all pages and all emails.

Review your old letters and emails and see if there isn't some things that should be posted on a Centaur's MyPage and provide more quality information. I do periodic searches on my old emails and once in a while find some good stuff that gets posted.

The Index of Articles is similar to an InfoSheet but it is an index of that man's articles with summaries. The InfoSheet has data like a Bio, facts about his tour, testimonies from others (emails), and things like that. The Index of Articles includes the War Story Essays that he wrote or was significantly involved with, videos or film that he is in, magazine articles he wrote, audio stories, and such.

Why hasn't my Photo Album been posted to the new website?

Since we have a one man design and coding operation for our site (Powell), and one other person to help with photos (Dow), work must be prioritized. We decided that recruiting more Centaurs into the fold, building the structure of the site, creating individual "MyPages", and "gathering" the photos must take priority.

When photos are received by Powell or Dow they are digitized and backed up onto a computer. That collection has been growing since the original photo collections of Powell, Taylor, and Lange in 2010 (which have not yet been made into Photo Albums). There are now hundreds, maybe thousands of photos in that collection. In addition there are still photos from the old website that need to be transferred over. Building of the MyPages (Duals and TextPhotos), War Stories and such require photos. Most are drawn from that collection.

Photo Albums vary in number of pictures from around 25 to 250. Organizing, retouching and preparing each photo for the web is very time-consuming. Then there is the hand coding of each thumbnail, photo and caption into the slideshow template of the site. If we changed the priority to doing Albums then further work on the website would cease for about 2 years. That time would be greatly reduced if we had more Photoshop people with time to spare. (see How do I prepare photos for a Website Photo Album?)

The Bob Maxey Photo Album was an experiment to see if a better, multimedia way of presenting photos could be built. The Burgess/Cooke Album was another experiment using a large number of photos. The lessons learned from these experiments have produced a new method for preparing photos and coding them into the site which is simpler and faster. With this new method we may be able to recruit you or others to give it a go and become one of our Album builders. (see How do I prepare photos for a Website Photo Album?)


 

What stories are needed for the website?

Any stories or information that add to, or more clearly define, the Centaur Legacy.

Each of us had little or no time and experience with the other mans job. We were to busy learning and growing in our own position. That's why it is so important to get stories from every angle and from each participant. That way we all can see the bigger picture of what went on.

As we write our Legacy for the Centaur Units, we need to hear from every man, every position, and every tour. It is time to record those things and better understand and appreciate all the different experiences, troubles, special training, lessons learned, and such from every Centaur.


How to do a video for the website

With all the modern technology at our fingertips anyone can produce a good video.

For some tips see "How to do a video" article.


How to make digital copies of 35mm slides

Pretty good quality digital copies of slides can be done at home with a slide projector and modern digital camera.

See article "MakingDigitalCopies"


How can I Hyperlink words in my email messages?

Most word processors use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+K (or Cmd+K on Mac) to insert a hyperlink into a text word or phrase. Begin by going to the webpage that you want to link to and copy the address (the HTTP address box). Go back to your email message and select the text that you want to link to that webpage. Enter Ctrl+K (or Cmd+K on Mac) and a box will pop up asking you for the link address. Paste (Ctrl+V or Cmd+V) the address from your clipboard (memory) into that box and click "OK".

For example: I'm writting an email to "Bob" and copying other people. The other people know a lot of Bob's and may not know who I'm referring to. Even the email address may not help. So I really should type his full name in at the top and maybe a link to his "MyPage" like this:

Bob (Robert Taylor - http://www.centaursinvietnam.org/Roster/MyPage/mypageTaylorR.html)

Using the procedure above I can highlight the "Bob" text and link it too his Mypage like this:

Bob

The viewer just clicks on Bob instead of having to type in a long http address to find out who Bob is.

You can use this idea with any of the text in your email.

 

What is meant by email "Thread Management" as it pertains to data collection for the website?

Management by Subject (title of the email), is called "Threads". The idea is to maintain the original email subject title for any responses to that subject. Keeps all the data under one name and makes it easier to find.

No doubt that you remember something in an old email that you need to find; and you can't find it. It can be really tough. Particularly if it is mixed in under another subject title.

Just imagine how difficult it is when we are trying to go back through the thousands of Centaur emails, trying to find bits and pieces of stories, names, dates and such for use in building the website. It seems impossible to get anything done. If "Thread Management" is used by all, that task becomes much easier.

Another additional way to more efficiently capture all this data is to have volunteers who make it their job to seek out all old and new emails that have information on a particular subject. If they can become known as the guy collecting that particular info then more people will be sending stuff to them. For example, if everyone knows that Terry Vaughn is trying to keep track of all the Centaur call signs, who had them and when, then the rest of us finding information on that subject would be sure to copy him. Mike Vaughn is seeking information on KIA's and Deceased so that our In Memoriam section is more complete. Nick LaRich is gathering ideas for Marketing of the Centaur website for when it becomes fully active. Dale Dow wants any threads of information that lets him further identify and catalog Vietnam Centaurs.Bruce Powell wants any input that can help the new website function better and be more accurate.

 

Can an average non-technical person help with the design of the Website?

Yes! Sometimes input from a non-technical person is even more valuable. We all know what we like and what we don't like. Don't be bothered with whether something can be technically done or not; just point out how you would like to see it done and let the technical weenies find a way to do it.


Another approach you might try: Read the article on "Website Attitude and Pitch", then play with the existing website and see where it doesn't quite meet those concepts, in your view.

 

What to do with 8mm/Super 8 Movies from in country

Now that we have a person with knowledge and equipment to do a halfway decent job with old 8 and Super 8 movies, we ask for your help in seeking out these lost gems. Call your friends and ask them. Even if they don't want to be involved, they may let us use their movies. Contact Bruce Powell (powellcentaur@gmail.com) for a current address to mail them to. They will be mailed back or returned at the next reunion (as you request).

The movies may not get finalized and up on the website right away because it is quite a process; but can and will be digitized immediately. That way, the data will never be lost.  

When you get some time, please review this movie about the importance of old movies:

http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/videos#veterans-home-movies

Gather and get your movies in as soon as you can.

 

History of the Centaur Society

(Written July 2011 to the Society by Bruce Powell)

Twenty years ago I started to write a book based on my Centaur memories, old photos, and the letters (and audio tapes) sent home to my parents and family. Mom saved everything. It was fun for a while but it was just too all consuming. I'm not a writer, I can't spell, I had a business to run, a life to live. Everytime I would get rolling my memory would fail me. "Was that LT Johnson or was that WO Arthur?" "Did someone get wounded."  "What was that ground commanders name?" "What was the tail number?" and so on as I'm sure you can relate to. This project went back to the attic. 

Due to the persistent efforts of Dale Dow and my best friend Tom Meeks, my wife and I attended a reunion (2006 Kentucky). It was a bit hectic, all those old people there, too many events, couldn't see the name tags. But Tom and Dale were there, so all was well; then I ran into Tom Fleming (what a memory this guy has), Buck Buxton, Harold Fisher, Charlie Johnson, and many others. The magic began. How many others were there that I didn't get to see and talk to because of time and not recognizing them?

I was more prepared for the Tucson reunion. I knew Warren Waite my Cobra crewchief, and TJ Lange my UH-1 crewchief would be there. I was really looking forward to seeing them. I got to see Pat Eastes, Rick Arthur, Charlie Rice, Mike Seigel, John Kelly, Woody Gardner, Paul Davidson, and a long list of others. I was hooked on this adrenaline flow. I wanted more! I wanted more Centaurs to feel it! Time to get off my butt and do something about it. It has been dormant for too many years.

I attempted to start what I call the "Timeline Project" which would have gathered and sorted the many old letters and things that my folks saved in the attic, pertaining to my long tour (Jan 67 to Aug 68); extracting the personal stuff and so on. Emphasis would be on time and date stamping of everything. This chronology, with even trivial stuff in it, like so and so went on leave today, could trigger the memories of others, particularly as these small parts would be seen against a background reference of date/time. 

Had I gotten my timeline together, I was going to get it to TJ Lange (CE 462) who was there for the same year and one half as I was. With his tidbits and memories added, it would be published on the website and become a master roadmap for the other Centaurs of that era. Possibly other era Centaurs would continue it for a master "Centaurs In Vietnam - Timeline". It could continue to grow as long as some of us are still alive.

Centaur Brothers DVD:
As I reviewed the movies that I had taken at the War Stories Session (Tucson reunion), the idea of getting these gritty stories, these faces and voices of the men who were there, out to other Centaurs might prove to be more effective at bringing more people in than anything to date. We might be able to accelerate the process of bringing people in and building the Centaur Legacy in whatever format possible (Books, articles, DVD series, Website). At our age we need to "Getter Done Now".

I had to drop the timeline idea in favor of the "Centaur Brothers DVD" project, even though the DVD idea looked staggering in its size and scope. I wasn't sure if I could pull it off. (Just one of these projects can be enough to ruin a marriage. We all have our current lives to live and can only donate so much time).

I chose the "DVD" project because I saw it as the best chance to quickly boost the many efforts of Dale Dow, Tom Fleming and others to get more Centaurs involved and to attend the Kentucky Reunion. More Centaurs, more action.

Getting input for the Second Year Book was a secondary mission that has already proved successful.

Seeds of the Centaur Society idea:
It was clear to me that the Timeline, and the Book, and the Website, and the Centaur Brothers DVD, are all great ideas; however, none will be done justice without more Centaurs involved. All of these projects attempt to create involvement; and all do to some degree; but not enough. There must be other ways.

Involvement, bringing people in, has always been the answer. Everyone is busy with their life and hesitant to bring up the 40 some year old memories which may cause them anguish or pain. What will it take to get them excited? Not everyone has felt the joy we have at the reunions, the satisfaction of unclogged memories, the personal satisfaction of being recognized and appreciated by people we admire.

Involvement normally works best on a one to one basis. Some of us have stayed life long friends. Maybe a few great emails from others here and there. Then we get back to our lives, or the emails degrade to exchanging "Forwards" and other somewhat meaningless things, then fade away. So, besides reunions, how could "Involvement" be generated/accelerated with a group approach?

Centaur Society: 
My thoughts were driven to the Centaur Society idea. Create an email list of dedicated, like minded Centaurs, that are willing to monitor regularly the "Centaurs only" email traffic, not unlike looking at the Drudge Report or the morning newspaper, and then contributing when they can. The key to it would be to maintain the privacy and integrity of the list so it doesn't get used for other well intentioned purposes. Social applications like Facebook are not secure enough (too public). It would also be very important to not add anyone to the list that unless certain requirements are met:

1. They personally request to be put on the list. No one goes on the list without a personal request.
2. Has reviewed the few requirements that we ask: (Security of the list, no crap or non Centaur stuff, respect of the other members privacy.)
3. Stay up to date by frequenting the website for past articles and conversations that they may have missed.
4. Make a personal effort to bring others into the group.

I went ahead with the help and blessing of the usual Centaur workhorses (Fleming, Dow, Arthur, Johnson, Cowell) and others. I had no idea that it would be so much work to keep the idea alive. Even though it set my DVD project back by a couple months it has added to the quality of it (more info, pictures, video, etc). 

You can see the results of our small Society so far. It is like having a "Google" just for Centaurs. You can put up a question or partial memory and the current 23 members (88 as of May 2015) will look at it, check their notes, etc and possibly provide you with some information you would have no other way to get. You may not get an answer; but just imagine if we had 123 members or so! Oh, the answers we could get! Might be a bit hard to manage. At that point the website will also have grown, as it is doing right now, and may take care of a lot of the Society traffic. I just don't know yet. I just know we need more effort by more people. 


Why doesn't the Centaur Society use social network software services such as Facebook, Google+, or Twitter for their interactions?

Many Centaurs do not want their email address distributed on a social network. There is just too much baggage attached. Privacy is an issue. Buy using a "protected" email list, meaning protected by Gentlemen's Agreement and policed by the Society Moderator, we have more control and can better insure that our emails remain relatively private.

The Centaurs can be broken down into many different groups. Many stay in contact because they were friends, hootch mates, and so on. Many other subjects, besides Vietnam, are batted around. Soon the "Forwards" begin (the "you just gotta see this" and "send this to 10 friends or the world will end" type emails). Next is that the depth of the BS increases. There is nothing wrong with these things as long as no one in that group is bothered by it. 

When you try to mix all those groups into one group for the purpose of gathering specific data, like for this website, it becomes unmanageable. The guys from 1966 most likely will not be interested in the BS from the 1969 guys. Someone may send a great "Forward", but then you get it from ten different people. Your email box gets filled up. Nobody wants to "sign up" for increased junk mail. This makes it hard to get people to sign up for something like the Society unless we can guarantee reasonable control.

We decided to "guarantee" that if a person signed up for this "protected" list that the unnecessary stuff (things not pertaining directly to developing the Centaur legacy) would be eliminated by "Gentlemen's Agreement". Not that the other personal groups would be hindered in any way, but just with the "Protected" list; the Centaur Society list. The "Moderator" must be the dirty dog that admonishes the violators.


Can I "blind copy" some of the Society emails to friends?

The info in our Society emails is not restricted in any way, just the email address list that goes with it.

Extract any of that material from our emails and send it to whoever you like; just don't include the email addresses of the Society members unless that person is a Society member.


Pilots, especially, need to smooth out their technical jargon

Pilots should take some time to better explain the things they had to go through to keep the aircraft from crashing. Most of you pilots remember clearly some of the aerodynamic features of your aircraft through training and hair raising experiences. Often, not enough time is taken to clearly explain them so that other Centaurs and friends can fully understand or appreciate. Pilots talking to pilots can become an alien conversation to others. This is true of other groups also like crew chiefs and door gunners. We should be sure to keep that in mind as we write our remembrances. If the technical aspects of the story become lengthy then just attach it at the end for those who are curious or want to better understand.

Here is an example: "Too Steep!"

 

Why does my browser often not show announced updates to the Centaur website?

Every browser maintains a "cache" of data that allows it to load most often used web addresses more quickly. If you go to a webpage and some recently announced information is not there, then chances are your browser has loaded the older "cache" version instead of the new upgraded one.

Try "reloading" the page. In Safari browser there is a little counterclockwise twisted arrow button that does this. If you roll your mouse over it, it will say something like "Refresh". In Google Chrome browser the same symbol exists and upon rollover it says "Reload this page". The one in Firefox browser is a little harder to spot, and the arrow twists clockwise. Upon rollover it says "Reload current page". Internet Explorer has a similar symbol and the rollover says "Refresh (F5)".

If you think that there may be several older pages in your browser cache then clear the whole cache. Your new pages may load a little slower the first time since it is streaming from the website server and not coming from the cache on your local hard drive. Under the Safari menu, go to "Empty Cache…". In Google Chrome select "Clear Browsing Data…". Firefox makes it a little harder. You need to go to the "History" menu and select "Clear Recent History…", and make sure that the "Cache" box is checked. For Internet Explorer 8 & 9 go to "Tools" and click "Delete Browsing History…".

For additional info check out this Indiana University website. (http://kb.iu.edu/data/ahic.html)


Why don't we have a website Guestbook?

Having a Guestbook was suggested long ago and is an option that has been left open. It has not been addressed at this point mostly because it is a pain to set up and run. Additionally, the Centaur Society has filled that role to some degree. If a person is interested enough to write in and talk, then why not just do it with the Society?

Keeping a Guestbook active and running is a lot of trouble and requires a full time host. Over time, most Guestbooks seem to fade away. Look around on the web; guestbooks have gaps in their conversations of years.

Do keep in mind that a Guestbook opens our website to the world, allowing spammers, demented souls, and other human debris to write whatever they want into our book. Guestbooks would have a better chance with a strong full time Host (Moderator/Webmaster), who could eliminate most of the meaningless drivel and heavy BS.

With all that said, we can have a Guestbook anyway if someone volunteers to run it. Our website host "iPower" will show us how to set up a "Guestbook Blog" and tie it to the website. Although tied to the website it would be a separate operation ran by a Guestbook Blog Host or Webmaster.

 

What is an "Essay" for the Centaur website:

Information provided by a Centaur in a text format, an audio recording, or a video clip, that presents detailed information about the Centaur experience in Vietnam. It is not necessarily a war story as much as it is an encyclopedic (wikipedia) entry, that provides more understanding and clarity to our story.

a. It could be used to describe how an individual Centaur felt about something like his job, or how things were done, or even nice words about other people or groups.

b. It could be a simplified explanation of how a weapon or piece of equipment works; or what made it work better. Doug Olsen (Crew Chief Hvy Weapons 1967) indirectly talks about using a can of lima beans to better feed the ammo into his door gun ( http://www.centaursinvietnam.org/Photo/VideoDO03.html ). There were many tricks like this that worked and some that caused new problems. All these stories are interesting and tell a lot about us.

c. It could be a discussion of Tactics used, or how they were developed. Bob Graham (Gun Pilot 1966), in his reunion video, talks about the early arguments of how to attack a target with rockets. The "Steep angle" (high altitude) method, provided accuracy yet exposed the aircraft to ground fire; The "Shallow angle" (low altitude) method, provided better protective cover for the aircraft yet spread the rockets over a larger longitudinal area.

Many books have been written about the employment/tactics of helicopters. However we are not particularly interested in them at the website, except as maybe as a reference in an essay. We want to know what you, the Centaur, thought; what you did; what worked and didn't; and why. A war story might be used to help make a point.

d. It could be a supplement to a specific war story, adding more knowledge about things mentioned the the story that could give the reader a better understanding. An example comes from Jim Walt's (Scout Pilot 1969) reunion video. He talks about the seemingly simple task of tossing a hand grenade from a helicopter. It is not simple. It takes skill, training and timing from both the scout pilot (altitude, speed, direction) and the crewman tossing the grenade (taking what the pilot gives him, estimating timing, angle and release). The rotor blades and tail rotor may come into play in some situations. The skids are just plain in the way. At least one crewmember was killed with his own grenade by not employing some of these skills.

e. It could be an essay that pops up from an everyday life experience or discussion at home. Example: Let's say you were the Mess Sergeant or part of the Mess crew for the Centaurs and now your young adult grandson says "Grandpa. What was it like having to feed the men of this high energy unit in combat?" Even I would like to hear that story. (I mean if it was a good and accurate story with some details and explanations.) Wouldn't that be great to have on our website?

f. It could be a vehicle essay. How many vehicles did we have anyway? I think we had some 26 vehicles and drivers! What type were they, how used, how managed, did we train our own drivers, did we steal vehicles, did we destroy vehicles, maintenance problems, etc? Some of the drivers may have pulled double duty as door gunners, maintenance or headquarters guys. Who drove for the Commander? Who drove the wrecker? I'd like to have these stories, or at least some of them, on our website. Where is SGT Chapman our 1967 motor sergeant, and how about some of the other ones from the other tours?

Most of us were so busy doing our own jobs that we never even thought much about having a Motor Pool, a Supply room, an Armament Section, a Mess Hall, or a Headquarters element. Those guys did their jobs so well that they were almost invisible; Always there, always working, always holding up their end of the mission. Operations and Maintenance sections were very visible because they determined whether we flew or not. But even then, how many crewmembers really understood the day to day job, and the complexities of making those sections work efficiently? Looking back we all thank God for them. Now let us expend some energy to find them and get their stories out.

These essays, or word pictures, need to be written by the men who were there. They are not written to get them recognized as a great author or warrior, but to provide a very real description of a subject written with the heart and sole of a Centaur who was there.

The quality and interest level of our new website can be greatly lifted. A better depth of understanding can be provided to our legacy.

 

 

What was "II Field Forces Vietnam" (II FFORCEV)?

II Field Force was a component of U.S. Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) and had its headquarters in Long Binh. Its area of responsibility was the ARVN III Corps Tactical Zone, later renamed Military Region 3, which comprised eleven provinces surrounding Saigon.

See Bob Graham's piece on II Field Force in the War Stories section for more details.

Corps Map
Most have seen the typical South Vietnamese map showing the four Corps areas. We were in III Corps. These Corp areas were not US designations! These were South Vietnamese Army Corps area designations that the US Forces worked in. They existed from 1955 to 1975.

There was another III Corps, United States version, that stayed in the states and provided men and materials for Vietnam. Here is a quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/III_Corps_(United_States)

"During the Vietnam War era, the corps (US) supervised the training and deployment of more than 137 units and detachments to Southeast Asia, including the I and II Field Force staffs. The corps also trained more than 40,000 individual replacements for units in Vietnam, for a total of over 100,000 soldiers trained.[17] As the war in Southeast Asia ended, the corps received many units and individual soldiers for reassignment or inactivation. It was also during this period that III Corps units participated in a number of key tests and evaluations that would help determine Army organization and equipment for the next 30 years."


The US Forces within the Vietnamese III Corps were commanded by II Field Force. Here is a quote from http://www.history.army.mil/books/Vietnam/Comm-Control/ch03.htm


"There were two main reasons for adopting the term "field force" rather than "corps" for the tactical corps-level headquarters about to be introduced into South Vietnam. First, as General Westmoreland pointed out, since the new headquarters was to operate in conformance with existing South Vietnamese corps zones, having two corps designations-one American and one South Vietnamese-in the same tactical zone would have been confusing. Second, the standard U.S. corps headquarters was a fixed organization. Field forces headquarters, on the other hand, would be more flexible and could be tailored to fit precisely the individual mission and could be adjusted to future changes, notably to further expansion of the U.S. effort."

 

Where can I get free copies of 1:50,000 maps of Vietnam?

1. Open our Centaur Map Sheet Finder map.

2. Each Red Square on this index map has a 4 digit number and is divided into 4 smaller squares that are numbered 1 through 4 in a clockwise direction. Each small square represents a different 1:50,000 Map Sheet. For example the Map Sheet for Quang Tri is 6442-4.

3. Make note of the Map Sheet or Sheets that you want to download.

4. Go to the (harder to read) interactive index map from the University of Texas and click on those sheet numbers to download a full version of each Map Section.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/vietnam/vietnam_index.html

The Map Sections will download and appear one at a time on your desktop in a PDF format (Personal Document Format):

TechnoBabble: Most of the map sheets from the Texas Vietnam Topo website will be downloaded as PDF (personal document format), not JPEG. If you want to edit them you may have to do a screen capture of the part you want, then open it up in a photo editing software like Photoshop Elements.

If you are on a Mac, just open the PDF in "Preview" (a free Mac program that is on your computer) then "Export" it as a JPEG for use in PhotoShop or Photoshop Elements. Works great.

 

Where can I get an inexpensive copy of Michael Kelley's book "Where We Were In Vietnam"?

Go to this website:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/where-we-were-in-vietnam/id438183246?mt=11

...and download a $10 ibooks version (digital) for use on your computer or pad. It is handy having it on the computer for searching and cut/paste of information.

 

How can I email a large number of photos or movies (Drop Box)?

DropBox is by far the easiest and most efficient way to transfer large files (including video). It is a free service up to 2gb. After you create an account you can keep a bookmark of it in your browser for convenience.

Upload a large file to your Dropbox account. You can upload anything you want; just do not exceed the 2 gigabye limit or they will ask you for money.

Use it properly or you may create problems for those you send your files too. The Dropbox people want the emails of folks that you send stuff too. You do not have to reveal those emails to them if you follow the below instructions:

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Do not type your friends email addresses into Dropbox!!!

If you do, their names get into a data base and they start getting emails direct from the Dropbox guys wanting them to sign up. You won't even know about it!

So always copy the HTML code of your specific file (as shown above) and paste it into an email using your mail program, not Dropboxs'.

Be sure to tell those who receive your Dropbox item that they will be requested to signup. They do not have to signup! Just close that window and watch the movie or download the files. They do not have to sign up unless they want to.

Advanced TIP: Instead of intimidating the person you send your file to with that terribly long code, review the process of Hyperlinking the code to a simple word or words in your email. (Click Here). That way they don't even have to see that long code.

Additional Information: After you get up to 2gigs in your Dropbox file they will hit you up for a monthly fee. You might want to do that if it is convenient for you. It is kind of like having your own private website for movies and large files. I leave my movies up in my Dropbox until my friends have seen or downloaded them, then dump them from Dropbox to save the space. Works great.

Most of the time I just use Dropbox to transfer big files, then when it is received and downloaded, I dump it.

 

 

Why doesn't my "Back" Button work?

When it works:

It works when I am on the Centaur website. If I click on a Hyperlinked word (blue/underlined), that page is tucked away and the new destination page is shown. Only one "Tab" is open in the Browser. I can click the "Back" button on the Centaur screen or the "Back" button on my Browser and the place I was goes away and my email opens back up.

When it doesn't work:

With most email programs, if you click on text in an email that is Hyperlinked (usually blue/underlined text), the link that you go to is opened in another tab, a second tab, of the Browser. So you have 2 tabs now showing at the top of your Browser, the one you just went to with the Hyperlink and the other is the original email page. Your back button will not take you back to the email tab from this new tab (new place on the internet) that you are at.

If you want to go back to your email to read on, you need to click on the email tab (at the top of your Browser) to reopen it. The other tab, the one you went to a minute ago, remains in the list of tabs at the top (unless you closed it) but is not showing on your screen. You can go back to it by clicking on that tab. If you have a lot of tabs open it might get confusing.

Example: Try this:
1. Quit your browser and reopen (so nothing else is open in the Browser).

2. Open the centaursinvietnam.org website homepage. Note at the top of your Browser you only have one tab open. It says something like "http://www.centaursinvietnam.org/" in that tab window.

3. Click on "Roster". Then click on "Friends". Notice that with each click you still remain in the same tab. There is only one tab at the top of your Browser window.

4. Click the "Back" button on the Centaur screen (lower right) or the "Back" button on your Browser (usually upper left of screen). Click again. Each click takes you back to the previous screen, yet stays in the same tab.

5. Open the last Centaur "Update" email. Find a Hyperlinked word or words (blue/underlined text) and click on it.

6. Look to the top of your Browser window and notice that a second tab has been added. Your email page has been grayed out and the new tab that you just went to is active.

7. Click on the email (grayed out tab) to go back to the email you were reading. Find another Hyperlinked text and click on it. A new tab, a third tab, opens up.

8. At this point you can see three tabs across the top of your browser and can click on any of them to bring them to the fore front; or you can click the small x on any of them to close that tab.

(There may be some small variations based on which Browser, which version and which computer you are using)

 

Viewing and Controlling a Slide show:

When you open the slideshow in your browser, it will automatically begin loading. It will take some time to begin loading the first few photos; Then it will continue to load more photos as you are watching the first ones.

If you move your mouse over the current slide that is showing, a "Control Bar" appears at the bottom. It goes away when the mouse is moved off the picture so you don't have to look at it. On an iPad you may have to click on the photo to get the Control Bar back.

The white arrowhead on the left side of the Control Bar is the "Start the show" button. When the Show is running the arrowhead turns into two little parallel hash marks (the universial symbol for "Pause"). When you click the hash marks the slideshow will stop and the Arrowhead will replace it.

The time hack to the right of the Start arrowhead tells you how far you are into the slideshow in time. Sometimes this is handy in locating a slide that you want to go back and look at later.

The long black bar is the timeline of the slides. If you press and drag the small diamond object in the black line, you can quickly scan the slides to any point you like. If all the slides have been loaded by your browser then sliding this diamond will scan through the pictures about as quickly as you can move the mouse. If the show just started then there are many more photos to load and dragging the diamond to a new photo may be slow.

The best way to quickly scan all photos just as fast as you can move your mouse, is to let the whole show load (the black bar of the control panel is all black once the slides are loaded), then press and hold with your mouse on the diamond in the black bar and just drag it left and right.

The two small arrows pointing away from each other on the far right of the Control Bar is the symbol for "Go to full screen". In the full screen mode the controls will appear when you move the mouse. After a few seconds of non use the controls will hide themselves. Just move the mouse to get them back. You press the two small arrows icon to get back to the regular sized slide show. Some computers will go back to the original size slideshow if you click the "esc" key on the keyboard.

Will my submitted photos be retouched/restored?

Yes, eventually. Retouching; digitally cleaning up and making photos look better, is very time consuming. In order to get the photos up on the website more quickly they can be directly assembled into a "Slide Show" using iPhoto (Picasa on the PC). Some limited retouching and cropping may be needed. That slideshow is then coded into the website for display. A text file with slide numbers is presented to allow captions to be collected from the owner and others. As time permits these slides can be individually retouched and placed into the better presentation of a Photo Album.

Slide Show: This presentation is handy because it gets the photos out quickly for everyone to view. Input can be collected; memories jogged, and they provide photos of Centaurs that can be used as MyPages and TextPhotos.

Photo Album: The best presentation of photos for the website is in a "Photo Album". This format requires that each photo be retouched and coded into a presentation program on the website.

A collection of 50 photos could take 4 to 10 hours of computer time to touch up depending on their condition/resolution and the skills of the artist. Doing this part time could add up to two or three weeks. Another several hours is required for coding the photos into an album program within "Dreamweaver" our website building software. Any captions are then added by being typed directly into the code line of each photo.

What is the difference between a Slide Show and a Photo Album?

The number one reason to have a Slideshow is that it can be created relatively quickly when compared to doing a Photo Album. That way everyone can go online and see the pictures right now instead of waiting months or even years from now, when the more time consuming Photo Album is eventually produced.

Compare the quality of the original Slideshow of Bob Forringer to his updated Photo Album (additional photos were added).

Why is the Photo Album so much trouble? Example: The Bob Graham Slideshow has over 400 mostly great photos. They are cropped and slightly edited with the limited editing tools in iPhoto (like Picasa on the PC). To retouch these slides in Photoshop, create thumbnails and code it all into a Photo Album, with captions, would take around 100 hours of computer work (if you are good at it).

For the webmaster to do this would mean shutting down the current work of adding new historic data to the website; maybe for months. So Bob's photos will have to wait a while longer.

Why bother with a Photo Album if it is so much trouble? Why not just stay with the Slideshows?

Four main reasons:

1. The quality of the photos can be dramatically better; nametags and tail numbers can be better read in many cases.

2. The thumbnails of the Photo Album can be quickly scanned by the viewer looking for specific photos. Quick and easy. It is much more difficult to do find photos in the slideshow version.

3. The captions are independent of the photos (not blocking any part of the photo) and can be corrected, edited or updated without having to redo the photo. This can save a huge amount of time as the website grows and more info becomes available. Also, in the Slideshow the captions are inconveniently maintained in a seperate text file and not with the individual photos; the have to be manually matched up.

4. Photo ID (and this is the most important). Each photo is coded, therefore it can be linked to from anywhere on the website where it might be needed. This means that if a new war story would be enhanced by an existing photo in a Photo Album, that photo can be brought directly into the story using HTML code without duplication of the photo (it is fast and saves space on the web server).

Additional feature in the future: It would not be difficult (because of the Photo Album coding) to provide buttons that might bring up catagories of photos for review; like show me all the photos on the website with mini guns; or every photo of Cobras; or every photo of Nui Ba Den. Gathering/identifying photos for these categories would be a big job but could be done by anyone; computer experience nont required. The webmaster would then code those notes in to create a button that brings up the noted photos.

Here are some examples of the differences in quality in the Slideshow and Photo Album presentations. Note that the "Original" may be touched up a bit in the Slideshow software. (Original vs Retouched):

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Are people checked to see if they are really a Centaur in good standing?

Yes. Our Unit HIstorian and Roster Keeper, Dale Dow does this work as needed. Many are authenticated by other established Centaurs. Sometimes a DD214 service record is required. Claims of unsupported awards and honors are not allowed. See our article "Stolen Valor".

 

 

 

How to Search pages on this website:

Use the built in capability of both Mac and PC's to do a "Page Search"; any page on the internet, anytime. You may already use it.

It is keyboard shortcut "Command F" on the Mac and "Control F" on the PC. With that keystroke a "search box" appears in the upper right or lower left of your computer. Type some letters into that box and hit the return/enter key.

All instances of those letters that you typed will be remembered by the computer and the page will scroll to the first instance, highlighting it for you. It will also show you how many instances have been found. Each time you hit the return/enter key it will jump to the next instance on the list.

Try this: 
1. Go to the Roster page on our site. The list starts with "ABRAHAMSON".

2. Press the Control Key (Command Key on the Mac) and the "f" key.

search3. Type in "Ru" into the small search box that appears (usually upper right or lower left of window).

4. Hit the Return/Enter key. It will find and highlight the "Ru" of "CATANIA, Russell" and note that their are 24 instances of "Ru".

5. Hit the Return/Enter key again. It goes to and highlights the "RU" of "GONZALEZ-RUIZ, Juan"

6. Note that each time you hit the Return/Enter key it jumps to and highlights the next iteration of "RU"

Then try this:
1. Go to the search window where it shows the "Ru" that you typed and spell out "Runyon", then hit the Return/Enter key

2. With the additional letters added it only finds the one entry of "Runyon".

Other ways to use this feature:
1. Lets say you remember the man's name was Glenn and you don't even know if it was his first name or last. Type "Glen" into the search box and find that there are 11 times that "Glen" is shown on the roster. Toggle thru them with the Return/Enter key.

2. If you want to find everyone on the list that served in 1973. Type "1973" in the search box and find that 69 people are listed. You can quickly toggle thru them.

Note: You may find errors while you are doing this. Be sure to let Dale know so he can keep our Roster accurate.
The numbers shown in the examples may change as more names are added to the list.

3. Remember that you can use this feature on ANY single page on the web. Say you are on a page with lengthy information like our Glossary page , and for some reason you are interested in whether the very common word "Shit" is used anywhere. Do the keyboard thing, type in the word and see that, yes, it is used 12 times (although they forgot Burning Shit).

4. Go to the War Story Essays page. This is a hard page to find things. Use the "Search" trick as above and be able to find stories or arthurs that you are interested in.

 

How can I find old articles from the Tropic Lightning Newspaper?

Go to our Links page and click on the Tropic Lightning News icon. This website has scanned most of the newspaper articles and photos listed by date.

 

What is a LRRP?

LRRP is pronounced "Lurp" and stands for Long Range Recon Patrol. The history of these amazing Army soldiers is told very clearly in a 47 minute History Channel special.

Mark Ponzillo tells the story of the "Centaur" LRRP's. Also see the stories from Gene Tucker, Bill Eberhart, Marshal Huckaby, Jose Vera, and Dave Martinez

 

How to find and use the HTML address of any website page.

Every page on our website has an address. It is found in the "Address Bar" or "Location Bar" of the browser that you are using. All of our (Centaur) addresses begin with "www.centaursinvietnam.org". For example: if you click on the "Roster" button, the address of that page is: http://www.centaursinvietnam.org/Roster/irosterCentaurs.htm.

Here is what the Address Bar looks like in the Internet Explorer Browser (other Browsers are similar):

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To identify that page to someone else, just copy that address and paste it into an email to them.

Techno babble: Some pages have additional "markers" or "anchor points", meaning that you can go to a specific spot on that same page if markers or anchor points have been set. For Example: all the buttons on the right side of the "Roster" page go to a different area of the Roster page. Click on the "MNO" button and the page will shift down to that section of the page. The address now is: http://www.centaursinvietnam.org/Roster/irosterCentaurs.html#mno. You are still on the same main page, but just at a different location on that page (indicated, in this case, by the "#mno".)

Why is our Glossary different from other Vietnam Glossaries on the internet?.

There are many Vietnam War oriented Glossaries and Terminology pages on the web. Some are huge. Not a one of them has every single term used in the Vietnam War; each has something missing. Their main goal just seems to be big so they can get a lot of hits.

1. Ours has no intention of becoming a huge, all encompassing, "document" or major reference for the world to use concerning Vietnam. The purpose of our Glossary is to be a supplement to our website. It is a device that makes our site more understandable to viewers. Most importantly, our definitions need to be written in our terms; Centaur terms. They must answer the question "What did this word, phrase or acronym mean to the Centaurs?" It may even have had different meanings in 1966 and 1972. That should be mentioned. How big it gets is not relavent.

2. The terms used on our website are linked directly to that specific term in our Glossary. We do not just send the viewer to our Glossary and make them search for the term, as many sites do. We have taken the time to add code that takes the viewer directly to that term in the Glossary so they can quickly jump from the story that they are reading to the Glossary and back without disrupting their thought or the storyline.

3. Source linking: Another thing that we do is try to find a story or article that uses, or better describes, a term that is in the Glossary. For example: Someone looking in the Glossary at "People Sniffer" can read the definition; but at the end is a "see article" button that takes them to our Discussion page where Centaurs are discussing some People Sniffer missions.

 

What is the red and black patch worn by some F Troopers on their left shoulder?

patchCobra and LOH crewmembers wore this patch on their left shoulder over the 25th Infantry Division patch or later over the 1st Aviation Brigade patch to indicate that they were part of a "Hunter Killer Team".

See also War Story Discussion HunterKiller Patch

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Proper wear of the Cavalry Stetson Hat and Spurs

1. Stetson: The Stetson will be black in color. Rank and regimental or ordinary cavalry brass will adorn the Stetson. The braid will be worn around the base of the Stetson. Troopers will wear the appropriate braid color. Braid ends or acorns will be to the front of the Stetson and no more than an acorn length over the brim. Crossed sabers will be placed on the front of the Stetson. Organizational sabers are authorized if assigned or affiliated to the regiment. Rank will be worn 1/8" from the bottom of the sabers, centered.

a. General Officers: Solid Gold
b. Field Grade and Company Grade Officers: Gold and Black
c. Warrant Officer:

(1)CW4,CW5 - Solid Silver
(2)WO1,CW2,CW3 - Silver and Black

d. Non-Commissioned Officer: Yellow

(1) The nape strap will be threaded through the appropriate eyelets in the brim of the Stetson so that strap goes around the back and the buckle is fastened and centered on the wearers head.
(2) The sides of the crown shall not be pushed in or otherwise modified. The brim will be flat with a slight droop at the front.
(3) The Stetson will be worn on the head with the brim parallel to the ground.
(4) Occasions for wearing the stetson: Squadron dining-ins/outs, formal events in dress blues, gatherings of spur holders, professional gatherings such as AAAA and any other event or function as designated by Saber 6.

2. Spurs: Spurs will be worn as a matched pair. The type of spurs allowed are set by each unit but most often they are Prince of Wales style spurs.

a. Low Quarters: The spurs will be affixed to the footgear midway between the upper portion of the sole and the lower part of the heel along the seam of the shoe. The U shaped portion shall enclose the shoe in such a manner as to assure that the rowel of the spurs curves down to the ground. The strap will be fastened over the instep of the footgear in such a manner that the buckle faces to the outside of the foot.
b. Boots: The spurs will be affixed to the footgear so that the U shaped portion follows the seam of the ankle support. The strap will be fastened over the instep of the footgear in such a manner that the buckles face the outside of the boot.
c. Single Soldiers will wear the rowels of their spurs pointing up, while married Soldiers will do so with their rowels pointing down.

3. Occasions for Wear: Spurs and stetsons will be worn at all cavalry functions, otherwise, they will not be worn outside of the cavalry footprint. Stetsons and spurs may be authorized by the local command, but are not authorized for wear at Army functions not specifically dedicated to cavalry. Wear with civilian attire may be restricted by a local commander, but otherwise the spurs and Stetson may be mixed with civilian attire when rank has been removed.[1]

Credit to: http://www.mindspring.com/~cjenkins/1-17wear.htm

 

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The Wall
A little history most people will never know.

Interesting Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall.

There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall, including those added in 2010.
The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us by date and within each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard to believe it is 57 years since the first casualty.

The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth, Mass. Listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed on June 8, 1956. His name is listed on the Wall with that of his son, Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept. 7, 1965.

There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall.
39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger.

8,283 were just 19 years old.

The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old.
12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old.

5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old.

One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old.

997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam ..
1,448 soldiers were killed on their last day in Vietnam ..

31 sets of brothers are on the Wall.

Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons.

54 soldiers attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia . I wonder why so many from one school.

8 Women are on the Wall, Nursing the wounded.

244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War; 153 of them are on the Wall.

Beallsville, Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons.

West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.

The Marines of Morenci - They led some of the scrappiest high school football and basketball teams that the little Arizona copper town of Morenci (pop. 5,058) had ever known and cheered. They enjoyed roaring beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the Coronado Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest . And in the patriotic camaraderie typical of Morenci's mining families, the nine graduates of Morenci High enlisted as a group in the Marine Corps. Their service began on Independence Day, 1966. Only 3 returned home.

The Buddies of Midvale - LeRoy Tafoya, Jimmy Martinez, Tom Gonzales were all boyhood friends and lived on three consecutive streets in Midvale, Utah on Fifth, Sixth and Seventh avenues. They lived only a few yards apart. They played ball at the adjacent sandlot ball field. And they all went to Vietnam . In a span of 16 dark days in late 1967, all three would be killed. LeRoy was killed on Wednesday, Nov. 22, the fourth anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination. Jimmy died less than 24 hours later on Thanksgiving Day. Tom was shot dead assaulting the enemy on Dec. 7,Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.

The most casualty deaths for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 deaths.

The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 - 2,415 casualties were incurred.

For most Americans who read this they will only see the numbers that the Vietnam War created. To those of us who survived the war, and to the families of those who did not, we see the faces, we feel the pain that these numbers created. We are, until we too pass away, haunted with these numbers, because they were our friends, fathers, husbands, wives, sons and daughters. There are no noble wars, just noble warriors.

 

What is the difference in the website categories of War Stories (Video, Essay, Discussion);
and how are they different from items under the "PhotoAudioFilm" navigation button?

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War Story Videos: (digital videos).............................

1. When a Centaur speaks and is video recorded we call it a "War Story Video" (regardless of subject material and assuming it pertains to the Centaur Legacy). Examples are videos from the reunions and videos made at home and sent in (like TJ Lange videos).

2. Other videos from the web that help with our legacy mission (like the History Channel movie).

War Story Essays: (text & photos)............................

1. A written article from a Centaur or about a Centaur. Pretty much self contained but may have comments from other Centaurs at the end of the article.

2. Print articles from newspapers, magazines, journals etc. (like Tropic Lightning News or Stars and Stripes).

War Story Discussions: (pieces of Info).......................

1. The Discussion Page was started so we could have a place for unfinished things. Someone comments on a subject, or asks a question. As the comments come in they are added to the Discussion. Theoretically at some point all this could be rewritten into an Essay

2. Summary of the subject, then email comments, other text, photos, and links to other parts of the website (like appropriate Video and Essays).
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PhotoAudioFilm

PhotoAudioFilm:......................................................
We needed a place to contain all the personal in country Photos (Photo Albums and Slideshows), the reel to reel audio tapes that many sent home to loved ones, and the 8mm Super 8 films taken in Nam and restored. They can be linked to the War Stories when appropriate.

 

How to post items on the Centaur website:

Currently the Webmaster is the only person that has access to changing things on the website. If you want to change or add something to the site it must go to the Webmaster for processing.

Send stories or comments in plain text, either in an email or in an email with an attached Text Document. Send in scanned photos, attached to an email, in as high a resolution as possible and uncompressed. Large files, like many photos, can be sent using Dropbox. If you have video or film, contact the webmaster to get it processed for the website.